In this episode of Walt Right Perspectives I speak with Rachel Haywire, an independent artist and salonnière who spent much of the Alt Right era as a fellow traveler of the movement, often describing herself as a “renegade Jew.”
hardcore synchronicity that you published that article literally *one day before* Rachel and I had planned to record this together...suggests to me something important is happening
Finally am getting a chance again to listen to the podcast.
This one really stuck me on a more emotional level. Over the years, I put in a lot of effort to try and come across as least autist as possible, as well as actively avoiding in political discussion more right leaning political topics I cared about. Most of my energy went into travel instead. So hearing about people doing both in a socially successful way is a pretty cool, especially outside their immediate circles of interest.
Despite the Overton Window shifting, do you worry about a sudden bounce back? Even Stalin and Mao had a thousand flowers bloom for a few years, then brought out the long sickles. I could see this happening if the 2024 election is disputed, and ends with Biden (or his replacement!) getting in with a Senate majority that decides to pack the Supreme Court "for abortion" and turns the First Amendment into the standard of freedom of speech that exists in Europe or Canada. Let alone renewed efforts to debank people.
I'd never heard about post-left Bernie people moving over to the dissident right. Need to look into that, as well as Red Scare's content.
Lol on the TGIF nostalgia
Trying to make the culture war less ideological and more transactional like economics and taxes is a great idea to lower the stakes. Just need an elite and generational turnover.
Well, allow me to as politely-as-possible broach the JQ in relation to Haywire's proposed Jewish Answer:
Since the kite-riders attacked Israel last year, everybody familiar with the JQ has predicted efforts to infiltrate and redirect this Nationalist evolution in America would increase sharply. The simple and natural conclusion to the atrocities of Jews in Israel, the horrifying stranglehold that international people have over our government and culture, and even just the Jewish way about existence comes down to a single word: Incompatibility. We cannot thrive with incompatible racial types incorporated into our society, and especially not when they are in governance over us, and Jews are exceptional only in that their particular national strategy is anathema to ours.
Naturally, this widespread realization would be bad for Jews who thrive best in multicultural free-for-alls. Jews, almost down to a man, never truly criticize the fundamental immoral actions of their fellows, especially when those actions secure more wealth and security for themselves as a group. This is poisonous to how Whites organize our societies. Again, most people will have a tendency for self-serving moral ambiguity, though Jews do it shamelessly while Whites routinely forgo personal benefit and racial solidarity in favor of what they believe is moral rightness - leading both to heroism and idiocy.
In short, we believe Haywire would live up to her moniker if inserted into this upwelling of the JQ in the popular mind. Recruiting American Nationalists is pretty well necessary to put down these lefty golems that, surprise, are made by other Jews who have lost a bit of control and want to dispose of them again. Haywire even said she only really hung out with Nationalists to mobilize them against her enemies and to satisfy personal thrill-seeking - it is not out of affection or honest-feeling, but Jewish-trait manipulation strategy and bemusement. But you cannot stop the "Divestment" corps without dismantling Soros operations, you won't stop the economic distress urging people towards their pitchforks without dismantling Blackrock, and you cannot stop the bad PR making people see the JQ without putting and end to Israel... Well, Haywire should see the ironic problem inherent in resolving Jewish schemes.
Haywire dislikes "Wignats". Naturally she should dislike them - they are difficult to manipulate because they just refuse to work with Jews and make others wary of it too. That would be frustrating. Worse, those people's ideas have been leaking out effectively for the past decade to the point where politicians have to speak to their talking points lest they lose their bases to this rising tide of Nationalist sentiment. Very, very frustrating. But worst of all for thrill-seeker Jewish ladies, they're not the fun kinds of Nazis you can write fanfictions about and dream up a thousand salacious vays they vill make ze Jew-girls talk. It's the irritation of a clever fox with many tricks being frustrated by a dumb little hedgehog who has only one trick, but it stops every advance. Hedgehogs are boring, but effective. If people can't spar with the cunning fox, then it's best to just become unassailably prickly.
Hedgehoggery is not a good mindset to make transactions with either, despite they being the spreaders of these increasingly popular sentiments. Essentially the transaction they refuse, from the perspective of the pitchfork-people at least, is that in exchange for diverting this Nationalist sentiment into solutions that don't fundamentally threaten Jewish security and power, those influencers will be enriched with fame, money, influence, honors and prestige - of course lent at high interest, never sold. One can argue that refusing to deal at all condemns one into a losing position where no headway can be made, which may be true in a certain sense. Though, what is the purpose of a transaction that does not achieve the fundamental aims that made you want for a transaction in the first place?
I view a wealth of transactions possible that don't require compromises on the necessary elements of the best resolutions to these issues. It is interesting enough to hear from Haywire's perspective her "positivity" towards Nationalists - even if it is self-serving thrill-seeking. Therefore I am all for talking more with Haywire on all manner of colorful JQ-related topics. There's already all manner of little examples in this talk revealing the bits of a classic Jewish character, sticking out of her general argumentation like hay from an overstuffed burlap sack. More interesting still would be having Haywire talk with another Jewish sort on various issues - those are always incredibly instructive towards the audience as to these intangible qualities that are nevertheless at the core of the whole matter.
Thanks for sharing the discussion for open consideration and contemplation.
>We cannot thrive with incompatible racial types incorporated into our society, and especially not when they are in governance over us, and Jews are exceptional only in that their particular national strategy is anathema to ours.
What do you mean by "thrive?" Ancient Rome, Victorian Britain, and 20th century America had plenty of Jewish elites and they were the most powerful white civilizations of all time. Historically speaking, whenever white people have dominated the world we've always had Jews alongside us.
>Naturally, this widespread realization would be bad for Jews who thrive best in multicultural free-for-alls.
Not just bad for Jews, but also for Walt Bismarck! I too thrive best in a multicultural free-for-all. Heartlanders are hypocrites--they always complain about coasties wanting to impose their values and way of life upon the midwest, but from my vantage point the angry peasants drove me out of the Shire and now they won't even let me relax happily in my swamp. When you treat the Ogre like that can you really be surprised when he allies with a dragon?
>Haywire even said she only really hung out with Nationalists to mobilize them against her enemies and to satisfy personal thrill-seeking - it is not out of affection or honest-feeling, but Jewish-trait manipulation strategy and bemusement
I mean, so did I lol. The early Alt Right was all guys like me, but come late 2016 it had been colonized by low openness normie furniture-people. I never would hang out with guys like that because I genuinely like them or want good things for them. I might have some paternalistic affection for them as coethnics if they didn't constantly accuse me of being a mischling or sodomite, but as it stands they make themselves very hard to love.
And I am actually a lot more contemptuous of those people than Haywire is. She is a scenester and used to subcultures being ruined by dogshit entryists. Meanwhile the Alt Right was the only social scene I ever enjoyed and felt like I belonged to, so I'll never forgive these worthless trashy chuds for ruining it.
>Naturally she should dislike them - they are difficult to manipulate because they just refuse to work with Jews and make others wary of it too. That would be frustrating.
It's not just that they refuse to work with Jews. THEY REFUSE TO WORK WITH ME.
Someone like you or Gordon can collaborate with a fellow traveler easily, because you are able to address my views with a nuanced perspective and thoughtfully separate agreements from disagreements. But most of your followers can't, and *literally would have me killed* given the opportunity.
Just go to the Amerikaner comments section and see how these people talk. Half of them sound like paranoid schizophrenics and the rest are clearly failsons or teenage incels. People with horrible social skills and nothing to lose are dangerous--they're the same cohort that joins Antifa etc.
Note that I am very obviously treating everyone in the movement with good faith, have massively platformed WNs to normie audiences, have functionally conjoined the Overton Window of centrist intellectualism to moderate white identity, and in my youth was one of the most effective propagandists for the Alt Right. Literally none of this matters one iota to the wignat rank and file. They despise me because I live and talk differently from them and much always will. And guys like that will pressure grassroots leaders like you and Gordon not to work with me, even when it obviously benefits you, because I scare them or trigger some primitive disgust reflex. Or they'll think I'm dishonest / shifty because I don't just charge like a retard straight at the Maginot Line.
Honestly these people are dysfunctional garbage holding your movement back. Wignats are the single biggest enemies of the white race, and it's no mystery why Hitler purged the SA at the first opportunity. Unlike his modern fans, he was a ruthless pragmatist with zero tolerance for ineffective LARPers.
>It's the irritation of a clever fox with many tricks being frustrated by a dumb little hedgehog who has only one trick, but it stops every advance. Hedgehogs are boring, but effective. If people can't spar with the cunning fox, then it's best to just become unassailably prickly.
That's a cute metaphor, but when a hedgehog indiscriminately pricks everyone he just gets his face filled with buckshot, and rightfully so.
Also the hedgehog isn't "effective" or responsible for any recent triumphs of white identity. These ideas have spread because of metapolitical hacktivism by foxes who know how to sneak into the henhouse of mainstream discourse and wreck shit. But the hedgehogs are too stupid and low openness to do this or understand how this works, and they get really mad when someone asks them to think about the world in a more abstract way. In practice all hedgehogs do is force foxes to dumb down their rhetoric and adopt counterproductive tactics to signal ingroup loyalty to superstitious peasants.
The hedgehogs should instead learn to shut the fuck up and do as they're told. And not by people like me--I learned my lesson in 2018--but by people like you and Gordon who can meaningfully represent their temperaments and preferences in a more sophisticated and forward-thinking way that knows how to strategize / prioritize and lets you collaborate with guys like me in areas where common ground does exist.
I am not myself interested in interacting with wignats and am not a WN anymore. But as a sympathetic fellow traveler who likes talking to smart WNs and is obviously dealing with you in good faith, I genuinely advise you to start cracking the whip on these tards. You have indulged them way too much, just as Matt Yglesias et al indulged the Israel Shekelstein "10 reasons white people suck" Buzzfeed types back in 2014.
The fanatically antiwhite Ashkie failsons who canceled Rachel Haywire in 2015 are the same fundamental type as the wignat chud commenters who call me a mischling / faggot / degenerate in a closed forum today. All they do is negatively polarize people who should support you into liking the other side.
Of course anyone can just say "fuck Walt Fagmark what does he know", but in 2015-2016 I was *literally one of the most effective propagandists* in converting people to WN. Maybe it's worth Long Knivesing a few chuds with swastika tats and 92 IQs to keep someone like me around? Ultimately it's your call, but I think the right path is obvious.
Just as preface, I know you enjoy the verbal scuffle. I'll be your huckleberry, so no hard feelings are meant by our disagreements and challenges.
>What do you mean by "thrive?" Ancient Rome, Victorian Britain, and 20th century America had plenty of Jewish elites and they were the most powerful white civilizations of all time. Historically speaking, whenever white people have dominated the world we've always had Jews alongside us.
Correlation =/= Causation. Pine beetles are often found in trees that have reached a certain age and diameter - are they why the tree is successful? Are they going to make the tree healthier, or sicker? Just because they are present is no argument to them being good, bad, or neutral to a host society.
>Heartlanders are hypocrites--they always complain about coasties wanting to impose their values and way of life upon the midwest, but from my vantage point the angry peasants drove me out of the Shire and now they won't even let me relax happily in my swamp.
Were the swamp not to spread and instead stay in those border-lands, we wouldn't have a problem. Putting aside your admittance that you yourself came to a portion of the Midwest with the ambition to lead these heartlanders to a new golden age without learning what they valued in life like so many others, the policies of urbanites and coastals is shipping millions of aliens and incompatibles into our midst and we have no power to stop it. It's ruinous to our way of life.
You expect heartlanders and westerners to accept your ideas, but balk when they try to share theirs. Those who cannot articulate those ideas just revert to instinct - cold shoulders, slung mud, and maybe those pitchforks coming out. But with those who can articulate, I'd invite you to listen to why slow-growth, homogenous styles of life are complimentary and useful to have alongside fast-paced borderland warzones. I'd push back against those heartlanders who'd want to purge the borderlands of all cultural exchange and replace your raves and cocktail parties with square-dancing and farmers markets for the same reason I might push back against some of your sweeping notions.
>I mean, so did I lol. The early Alt Right was all guys like me
I was there, Bismarck. I was there 3,000 posts ago... Spencer was part of a constellation of sorts talking there, and frankly at the time there was a disdain on 4chan about celebrity than now. Even the thought of anons having their posts tracked was considered vanity back then. Instead you had gaggles of anonymous INTJ's and similar sorts all filtered into discussions where ego didn't matter, only ideas. Naturally the shitposters were always more numerous and fun in their own ways, but there were real chances at real conversations. Who they were among the posters, let alone the lurkers? Who knows, but I know there were geniuses and retards and idiot savants galore. I miss those days too... I blame the jannies. Always blame the jannies.
But they taught the way to deal with the "entryists" as you put it - call OP a fag, and mock him mercilessly until he stops being a fag or stops posting stupid things. Crude, mean, but generally effective. I wouldn't blame you for sniping at retarded r/thedonald squeezy-toy people wandering way outside of their depth, or even the eternal sperg edgelords who infest every cutting-edge political endeavor. But also know that it is that same attempt to stop the entry of disruptive elements that drives many sorts versed in the JQ to bar the doors to Jews, and be quite mocking towards Jew-sympathizers. It would be worth a deeper discussion.
>It's not just that they refuse to work with Jews. THEY REFUSE TO WORK WITH ME.
Well, to be fair, you do tell them and anyone who will listen how much kosher coochie you enjoy. It's a bit hard for many who become aware of the JQ to reconcile having any positive dealings with those who *should* know and yet persist in such relations. Those who can be flexible have to tread a thin line to not compromise themselves for want of easy gains.
>They despise me because I live and talk differently from them and much always will.
Some might be on that Idiocracy tier of, "Why do you talk like a fag?" as far as their appreciation of differences is concerned. But that's not why most of them dislike your behavior. Saying things to the effect that getting rich and laid is what actually matters and that avid Nationalist perceptions are immature and people should grow up is making them react. You naturally have reasons behind why you say things like that, but the tone is that of high contempt for the people whom you refer to, and more importantly towards the ideas they hold very dearly. So they lash out.
There is also the added-layer of confusion wherein you clearly know all the things they do about race, the JQ, etc, but then discount it in favor of money and pussy rhetorically. It seems base and as if you ought to know better. When you argue that "elites can be degenerate" for instance, this rubs a lot of people the wrong way since they think degenerate elites are core to the problem we are currently having as a civilization. But understanding their disagreements better holds the promise of reaching some of them later.
>Wignats are the single biggest enemies of the white race
The problem with "Wignat" is that many would call us that for being concerned about and directly advocating for White people. It's a term that puts people under a broad siege mentality.
>Also the hedgehog isn't "effective" or responsible for any recent triumphs of white identity.
You'd be surprised. If average IQ constitutes the bulk of people, who do you think conveys catchy ideas to one another? The average sorts. Sure it might be a clever poet that comes up with an idea, but a hedgehog gets ahold of it, digests it into a hedgehog-level idea, and shares that with his fellows.
Richard Spencer is an aspirant elite and talks as his high class would predispose him to. We still laugh about his description of his favorite burger as "that's hot stuff" as if it were something mere peasants wouldn't be acquainted with. And while he came up with all manner of articulated thoughts about what the Alt Right was, it was the widespread adoption of the term and what it sparked in average imaginations that made it a thing of value. It's the truly clever turn for an elevated-intellect to convey an idea to the average people in a way that they can get excited about.
>I genuinely advise you to start cracking the whip on these tards. You have indulged them way too much
Respect and trust are cultivated. You can't really demand them of others who have no relationship with you, especially in groups that have pretty high Disagreeableness which many in the Nationalist sphere have. But give people good thoughts, show yourself doing good work they recognize as such, and they will naturally start to value your perspectives and even give you leeway so long as fundamentals are not violated. Sometimes they'll even spend time to reply to long essays because they have built up that bit of value in the relationship!
Tard wrangling is an eternal battle though. Every group has tards, and wrangling is an art more than it is a science. You can't wrangle tards if they don't want to be. If you are just a nobody, they will treat your ideas as seriously as they treat any opinion they find from a nobody online. And if you're a somebody, they can just class you as somebody they don't like unless they have something of value from you to counteract that opinion.
But also, one has to be careful not to lump everyone in together. I have no contact or control over Gordon's commenters for instance, but you want me to stop "indulging" their outrage. I mean, you called them hobbits and tired Teutons despite them not even being in the same state as the people who wronged you. I think those names are fairly mild as far as potentially insulting terms can go, but most people don't like being talked down to from someone they don't know or have any built-up respect for.
I have sometimes grave disagreements, even outright condescension, for certain people in these circles. Sometimes I even lose my composure and engage with them. But even in those engagements I try to approach in such a manner that is least-likely to provoke bickering. I like to find some place of their argument that I genuinely agree with, and then I agree and bolster them on it first. Then I might address my disagreement in the way of offering a different perspective from a less-than-overtly-challenging angle. It works well for me.
I think your forthcoming conversations with them will help inform you even better about how their minds work, and you might find those differences interesting.
I’m still awake and still laughing. The Melatonin will kick in anytime now.
Yes, the crossover I've been waiting for!
hardcore synchronicity that you published that article literally *one day before* Rachel and I had planned to record this together...suggests to me something important is happening
Happy we could make you happy! We discussed you quite a bit. Perfect timing.
Good one, so far my favorite intro song. I listened to most of it on my way to work and I'll finish this afternoon.
I very much enjoyed that. I like you both even more now. Genuine. I will look forward to the next time you chat.
Saloniere - now there's an idea whose time has come. Fantastic conversation. This is the way forward - to the streets by way of the drawing room
How can something that's already 95 percent White be gentrified?
Finally am getting a chance again to listen to the podcast.
This one really stuck me on a more emotional level. Over the years, I put in a lot of effort to try and come across as least autist as possible, as well as actively avoiding in political discussion more right leaning political topics I cared about. Most of my energy went into travel instead. So hearing about people doing both in a socially successful way is a pretty cool, especially outside their immediate circles of interest.
Despite the Overton Window shifting, do you worry about a sudden bounce back? Even Stalin and Mao had a thousand flowers bloom for a few years, then brought out the long sickles. I could see this happening if the 2024 election is disputed, and ends with Biden (or his replacement!) getting in with a Senate majority that decides to pack the Supreme Court "for abortion" and turns the First Amendment into the standard of freedom of speech that exists in Europe or Canada. Let alone renewed efforts to debank people.
I'd never heard about post-left Bernie people moving over to the dissident right. Need to look into that, as well as Red Scare's content.
Lol on the TGIF nostalgia
Trying to make the culture war less ideological and more transactional like economics and taxes is a great idea to lower the stakes. Just need an elite and generational turnover.
This is a great episode 👏🏻 nice to hear that people are attempting to create a new "mainstream" like weeds forcing themselves through lame concrete
Well, allow me to as politely-as-possible broach the JQ in relation to Haywire's proposed Jewish Answer:
Since the kite-riders attacked Israel last year, everybody familiar with the JQ has predicted efforts to infiltrate and redirect this Nationalist evolution in America would increase sharply. The simple and natural conclusion to the atrocities of Jews in Israel, the horrifying stranglehold that international people have over our government and culture, and even just the Jewish way about existence comes down to a single word: Incompatibility. We cannot thrive with incompatible racial types incorporated into our society, and especially not when they are in governance over us, and Jews are exceptional only in that their particular national strategy is anathema to ours.
Naturally, this widespread realization would be bad for Jews who thrive best in multicultural free-for-alls. Jews, almost down to a man, never truly criticize the fundamental immoral actions of their fellows, especially when those actions secure more wealth and security for themselves as a group. This is poisonous to how Whites organize our societies. Again, most people will have a tendency for self-serving moral ambiguity, though Jews do it shamelessly while Whites routinely forgo personal benefit and racial solidarity in favor of what they believe is moral rightness - leading both to heroism and idiocy.
In short, we believe Haywire would live up to her moniker if inserted into this upwelling of the JQ in the popular mind. Recruiting American Nationalists is pretty well necessary to put down these lefty golems that, surprise, are made by other Jews who have lost a bit of control and want to dispose of them again. Haywire even said she only really hung out with Nationalists to mobilize them against her enemies and to satisfy personal thrill-seeking - it is not out of affection or honest-feeling, but Jewish-trait manipulation strategy and bemusement. But you cannot stop the "Divestment" corps without dismantling Soros operations, you won't stop the economic distress urging people towards their pitchforks without dismantling Blackrock, and you cannot stop the bad PR making people see the JQ without putting and end to Israel... Well, Haywire should see the ironic problem inherent in resolving Jewish schemes.
Haywire dislikes "Wignats". Naturally she should dislike them - they are difficult to manipulate because they just refuse to work with Jews and make others wary of it too. That would be frustrating. Worse, those people's ideas have been leaking out effectively for the past decade to the point where politicians have to speak to their talking points lest they lose their bases to this rising tide of Nationalist sentiment. Very, very frustrating. But worst of all for thrill-seeker Jewish ladies, they're not the fun kinds of Nazis you can write fanfictions about and dream up a thousand salacious vays they vill make ze Jew-girls talk. It's the irritation of a clever fox with many tricks being frustrated by a dumb little hedgehog who has only one trick, but it stops every advance. Hedgehogs are boring, but effective. If people can't spar with the cunning fox, then it's best to just become unassailably prickly.
Hedgehoggery is not a good mindset to make transactions with either, despite they being the spreaders of these increasingly popular sentiments. Essentially the transaction they refuse, from the perspective of the pitchfork-people at least, is that in exchange for diverting this Nationalist sentiment into solutions that don't fundamentally threaten Jewish security and power, those influencers will be enriched with fame, money, influence, honors and prestige - of course lent at high interest, never sold. One can argue that refusing to deal at all condemns one into a losing position where no headway can be made, which may be true in a certain sense. Though, what is the purpose of a transaction that does not achieve the fundamental aims that made you want for a transaction in the first place?
I view a wealth of transactions possible that don't require compromises on the necessary elements of the best resolutions to these issues. It is interesting enough to hear from Haywire's perspective her "positivity" towards Nationalists - even if it is self-serving thrill-seeking. Therefore I am all for talking more with Haywire on all manner of colorful JQ-related topics. There's already all manner of little examples in this talk revealing the bits of a classic Jewish character, sticking out of her general argumentation like hay from an overstuffed burlap sack. More interesting still would be having Haywire talk with another Jewish sort on various issues - those are always incredibly instructive towards the audience as to these intangible qualities that are nevertheless at the core of the whole matter.
Thanks for sharing the discussion for open consideration and contemplation.
>We cannot thrive with incompatible racial types incorporated into our society, and especially not when they are in governance over us, and Jews are exceptional only in that their particular national strategy is anathema to ours.
What do you mean by "thrive?" Ancient Rome, Victorian Britain, and 20th century America had plenty of Jewish elites and they were the most powerful white civilizations of all time. Historically speaking, whenever white people have dominated the world we've always had Jews alongside us.
>Naturally, this widespread realization would be bad for Jews who thrive best in multicultural free-for-alls.
Not just bad for Jews, but also for Walt Bismarck! I too thrive best in a multicultural free-for-all. Heartlanders are hypocrites--they always complain about coasties wanting to impose their values and way of life upon the midwest, but from my vantage point the angry peasants drove me out of the Shire and now they won't even let me relax happily in my swamp. When you treat the Ogre like that can you really be surprised when he allies with a dragon?
>Haywire even said she only really hung out with Nationalists to mobilize them against her enemies and to satisfy personal thrill-seeking - it is not out of affection or honest-feeling, but Jewish-trait manipulation strategy and bemusement
I mean, so did I lol. The early Alt Right was all guys like me, but come late 2016 it had been colonized by low openness normie furniture-people. I never would hang out with guys like that because I genuinely like them or want good things for them. I might have some paternalistic affection for them as coethnics if they didn't constantly accuse me of being a mischling or sodomite, but as it stands they make themselves very hard to love.
And I am actually a lot more contemptuous of those people than Haywire is. She is a scenester and used to subcultures being ruined by dogshit entryists. Meanwhile the Alt Right was the only social scene I ever enjoyed and felt like I belonged to, so I'll never forgive these worthless trashy chuds for ruining it.
>Naturally she should dislike them - they are difficult to manipulate because they just refuse to work with Jews and make others wary of it too. That would be frustrating.
It's not just that they refuse to work with Jews. THEY REFUSE TO WORK WITH ME.
Someone like you or Gordon can collaborate with a fellow traveler easily, because you are able to address my views with a nuanced perspective and thoughtfully separate agreements from disagreements. But most of your followers can't, and *literally would have me killed* given the opportunity.
Just go to the Amerikaner comments section and see how these people talk. Half of them sound like paranoid schizophrenics and the rest are clearly failsons or teenage incels. People with horrible social skills and nothing to lose are dangerous--they're the same cohort that joins Antifa etc.
Note that I am very obviously treating everyone in the movement with good faith, have massively platformed WNs to normie audiences, have functionally conjoined the Overton Window of centrist intellectualism to moderate white identity, and in my youth was one of the most effective propagandists for the Alt Right. Literally none of this matters one iota to the wignat rank and file. They despise me because I live and talk differently from them and much always will. And guys like that will pressure grassroots leaders like you and Gordon not to work with me, even when it obviously benefits you, because I scare them or trigger some primitive disgust reflex. Or they'll think I'm dishonest / shifty because I don't just charge like a retard straight at the Maginot Line.
Honestly these people are dysfunctional garbage holding your movement back. Wignats are the single biggest enemies of the white race, and it's no mystery why Hitler purged the SA at the first opportunity. Unlike his modern fans, he was a ruthless pragmatist with zero tolerance for ineffective LARPers.
>It's the irritation of a clever fox with many tricks being frustrated by a dumb little hedgehog who has only one trick, but it stops every advance. Hedgehogs are boring, but effective. If people can't spar with the cunning fox, then it's best to just become unassailably prickly.
That's a cute metaphor, but when a hedgehog indiscriminately pricks everyone he just gets his face filled with buckshot, and rightfully so.
Also the hedgehog isn't "effective" or responsible for any recent triumphs of white identity. These ideas have spread because of metapolitical hacktivism by foxes who know how to sneak into the henhouse of mainstream discourse and wreck shit. But the hedgehogs are too stupid and low openness to do this or understand how this works, and they get really mad when someone asks them to think about the world in a more abstract way. In practice all hedgehogs do is force foxes to dumb down their rhetoric and adopt counterproductive tactics to signal ingroup loyalty to superstitious peasants.
The hedgehogs should instead learn to shut the fuck up and do as they're told. And not by people like me--I learned my lesson in 2018--but by people like you and Gordon who can meaningfully represent their temperaments and preferences in a more sophisticated and forward-thinking way that knows how to strategize / prioritize and lets you collaborate with guys like me in areas where common ground does exist.
I am not myself interested in interacting with wignats and am not a WN anymore. But as a sympathetic fellow traveler who likes talking to smart WNs and is obviously dealing with you in good faith, I genuinely advise you to start cracking the whip on these tards. You have indulged them way too much, just as Matt Yglesias et al indulged the Israel Shekelstein "10 reasons white people suck" Buzzfeed types back in 2014.
The fanatically antiwhite Ashkie failsons who canceled Rachel Haywire in 2015 are the same fundamental type as the wignat chud commenters who call me a mischling / faggot / degenerate in a closed forum today. All they do is negatively polarize people who should support you into liking the other side.
Of course anyone can just say "fuck Walt Fagmark what does he know", but in 2015-2016 I was *literally one of the most effective propagandists* in converting people to WN. Maybe it's worth Long Knivesing a few chuds with swastika tats and 92 IQs to keep someone like me around? Ultimately it's your call, but I think the right path is obvious.
Just as preface, I know you enjoy the verbal scuffle. I'll be your huckleberry, so no hard feelings are meant by our disagreements and challenges.
>What do you mean by "thrive?" Ancient Rome, Victorian Britain, and 20th century America had plenty of Jewish elites and they were the most powerful white civilizations of all time. Historically speaking, whenever white people have dominated the world we've always had Jews alongside us.
Correlation =/= Causation. Pine beetles are often found in trees that have reached a certain age and diameter - are they why the tree is successful? Are they going to make the tree healthier, or sicker? Just because they are present is no argument to them being good, bad, or neutral to a host society.
>Heartlanders are hypocrites--they always complain about coasties wanting to impose their values and way of life upon the midwest, but from my vantage point the angry peasants drove me out of the Shire and now they won't even let me relax happily in my swamp.
Were the swamp not to spread and instead stay in those border-lands, we wouldn't have a problem. Putting aside your admittance that you yourself came to a portion of the Midwest with the ambition to lead these heartlanders to a new golden age without learning what they valued in life like so many others, the policies of urbanites and coastals is shipping millions of aliens and incompatibles into our midst and we have no power to stop it. It's ruinous to our way of life.
You expect heartlanders and westerners to accept your ideas, but balk when they try to share theirs. Those who cannot articulate those ideas just revert to instinct - cold shoulders, slung mud, and maybe those pitchforks coming out. But with those who can articulate, I'd invite you to listen to why slow-growth, homogenous styles of life are complimentary and useful to have alongside fast-paced borderland warzones. I'd push back against those heartlanders who'd want to purge the borderlands of all cultural exchange and replace your raves and cocktail parties with square-dancing and farmers markets for the same reason I might push back against some of your sweeping notions.
>I mean, so did I lol. The early Alt Right was all guys like me
I was there, Bismarck. I was there 3,000 posts ago... Spencer was part of a constellation of sorts talking there, and frankly at the time there was a disdain on 4chan about celebrity than now. Even the thought of anons having their posts tracked was considered vanity back then. Instead you had gaggles of anonymous INTJ's and similar sorts all filtered into discussions where ego didn't matter, only ideas. Naturally the shitposters were always more numerous and fun in their own ways, but there were real chances at real conversations. Who they were among the posters, let alone the lurkers? Who knows, but I know there were geniuses and retards and idiot savants galore. I miss those days too... I blame the jannies. Always blame the jannies.
But they taught the way to deal with the "entryists" as you put it - call OP a fag, and mock him mercilessly until he stops being a fag or stops posting stupid things. Crude, mean, but generally effective. I wouldn't blame you for sniping at retarded r/thedonald squeezy-toy people wandering way outside of their depth, or even the eternal sperg edgelords who infest every cutting-edge political endeavor. But also know that it is that same attempt to stop the entry of disruptive elements that drives many sorts versed in the JQ to bar the doors to Jews, and be quite mocking towards Jew-sympathizers. It would be worth a deeper discussion.
>It's not just that they refuse to work with Jews. THEY REFUSE TO WORK WITH ME.
Well, to be fair, you do tell them and anyone who will listen how much kosher coochie you enjoy. It's a bit hard for many who become aware of the JQ to reconcile having any positive dealings with those who *should* know and yet persist in such relations. Those who can be flexible have to tread a thin line to not compromise themselves for want of easy gains.
>They despise me because I live and talk differently from them and much always will.
Some might be on that Idiocracy tier of, "Why do you talk like a fag?" as far as their appreciation of differences is concerned. But that's not why most of them dislike your behavior. Saying things to the effect that getting rich and laid is what actually matters and that avid Nationalist perceptions are immature and people should grow up is making them react. You naturally have reasons behind why you say things like that, but the tone is that of high contempt for the people whom you refer to, and more importantly towards the ideas they hold very dearly. So they lash out.
There is also the added-layer of confusion wherein you clearly know all the things they do about race, the JQ, etc, but then discount it in favor of money and pussy rhetorically. It seems base and as if you ought to know better. When you argue that "elites can be degenerate" for instance, this rubs a lot of people the wrong way since they think degenerate elites are core to the problem we are currently having as a civilization. But understanding their disagreements better holds the promise of reaching some of them later.
>Wignats are the single biggest enemies of the white race
The problem with "Wignat" is that many would call us that for being concerned about and directly advocating for White people. It's a term that puts people under a broad siege mentality.
>Also the hedgehog isn't "effective" or responsible for any recent triumphs of white identity.
You'd be surprised. If average IQ constitutes the bulk of people, who do you think conveys catchy ideas to one another? The average sorts. Sure it might be a clever poet that comes up with an idea, but a hedgehog gets ahold of it, digests it into a hedgehog-level idea, and shares that with his fellows.
Richard Spencer is an aspirant elite and talks as his high class would predispose him to. We still laugh about his description of his favorite burger as "that's hot stuff" as if it were something mere peasants wouldn't be acquainted with. And while he came up with all manner of articulated thoughts about what the Alt Right was, it was the widespread adoption of the term and what it sparked in average imaginations that made it a thing of value. It's the truly clever turn for an elevated-intellect to convey an idea to the average people in a way that they can get excited about.
>I genuinely advise you to start cracking the whip on these tards. You have indulged them way too much
Respect and trust are cultivated. You can't really demand them of others who have no relationship with you, especially in groups that have pretty high Disagreeableness which many in the Nationalist sphere have. But give people good thoughts, show yourself doing good work they recognize as such, and they will naturally start to value your perspectives and even give you leeway so long as fundamentals are not violated. Sometimes they'll even spend time to reply to long essays because they have built up that bit of value in the relationship!
Tard wrangling is an eternal battle though. Every group has tards, and wrangling is an art more than it is a science. You can't wrangle tards if they don't want to be. If you are just a nobody, they will treat your ideas as seriously as they treat any opinion they find from a nobody online. And if you're a somebody, they can just class you as somebody they don't like unless they have something of value from you to counteract that opinion.
But also, one has to be careful not to lump everyone in together. I have no contact or control over Gordon's commenters for instance, but you want me to stop "indulging" their outrage. I mean, you called them hobbits and tired Teutons despite them not even being in the same state as the people who wronged you. I think those names are fairly mild as far as potentially insulting terms can go, but most people don't like being talked down to from someone they don't know or have any built-up respect for.
I have sometimes grave disagreements, even outright condescension, for certain people in these circles. Sometimes I even lose my composure and engage with them. But even in those engagements I try to approach in such a manner that is least-likely to provoke bickering. I like to find some place of their argument that I genuinely agree with, and then I agree and bolster them on it first. Then I might address my disagreement in the way of offering a different perspective from a less-than-overtly-challenging angle. It works well for me.
I think your forthcoming conversations with them will help inform you even better about how their minds work, and you might find those differences interesting.