The part about racial tolerance and being direct about advocating for one's own self interests is right on. On a smaller scale I see it between having lived in Minneapolis and now in Virginia, where down here in VA it's much more organically integrated given the history of the region, and people have had to learn to be tolerant whether they liked it or not. And they'll tell you whether they like it or not. But it's more refreshing and less tense than Minneapolis for that reason.
I think the claim that black people have "strong genes" is dubious. If you see Obama next to his father, you can see very easily that Obama's mixed and wouldn't blend into Kenya. It's just that Americans classify mixed people into whatever's considered the less statistically common category because it sticks out more. Additionally, the first-born kid often has more of the paternal phenotype for evolutionary reasons (so that the father could tell it's really his). So, someone like Obama gets a bit more of the East African features, whereas Candace's kids end up pale.
In general, mixed people tend to identify with the non-white side because white's considered boring, unexotic, and lacking in subculture. I've even noticed people who are half-Anglo and half-criollo trying to claim non-white status. I sometimes joke that one of the reasons I'd never marry a white woman is that I don't want 3/4 white kids who claim exotic status for being a quarter Asian.
I've always wondered about the "first born looking more like dad" thing. I've casually noticed it among friends whose parents I've met (and myself, also being a first born who looks more like dad) and wondered if it was merely coincidental or actually *a thing*. Makes sense!
Great conversation that manages to examine some blindspots in otherwise well-trodden topics that without nuance could easily go off the rails. You manage to combine your right wing background, being an "Austist", and great conversation skills into something unique.
Maybe invite on Ayo Kimathi, an actual Black Nationalist (though he's heavy on the JQ - his book's website: https://www.moneytreepublishing.com/shop/jews-are-the-problem). I don't know how to get hold of him, but he's been on a couple of whatever-right podcasts - FTN, and Nordic Frontier.
Excellent and big-brained comment. I want to have you on the pod soon!
I think my level of white ingroup preference is almost exactly at the 50th percentile for American white men, but I have thought about racial issues and am aware of my own biases at the 99th percentile, and then in terms of my honesty to black people I'm at the 95th percentile (sadly I'm sure some contingent of homeless people and skinheads beat me here because I do value being polite to people I like).
Elon comes from South Africa, there is no way he is colorblind haha. He is def full of shit on that. If my percentiles are 50/99/95 I imagine his are 75/95/60. He strikes me as the type to get real with black friends but not necessarily trust random black strangers with his true feelings like me. Trump is probably like 60/50/30.
I feel like white people get scared talking about race because they don't realize most black people are fine with you being medium-high in the first dimension (if anything they often start thinking you're at 90 and are pleasantly surprised lol), and just get annoyed when you're low in the second and especially third dimensions. But white women punish white men for being high in the third dimension and to some extent the second, so that's what gets you things like liberal patronizing or conservative dogwhistling about "good schools", "safe neighborhoods", etc.
On the cycles--I would say the first two actually were the opposite. Black people almost certainly had it worse under Antebellum slavery than Revolutionary-era slavery, and then Jim Crow was probably worse than Antebellum slavery. But MLK etc was probably like four steps forward one step back.
BLM I'm not sure about. We probably need to wait and see where the reaction lands. I wouldn't say it has changed my perspective though, I think somebody like me or Jared Taylor or Richard Spencer would have been able to have this conversation at any point, and I think the median conservative white dude is more racially aggrieved than 15 years ago. But he is more open about his feelings too and slightly more self-aware, which black people will perceive as an improvement even if it makes liberal white women pissy.
I'm not a hard determinist about race for sure. But I do think the huge difference in phenotype makes white-black mixing inherently more of a *thing* for people than any other kind and that has huge downstream political and cultural implications.
I agree about South Asians, I have two Indian-American guests lined up on my pod to talk about that. IMO the Brahmin Question will play the same role in white identity politics that the JQ played 10 years ago.
>as the racial hierarchy in American society compresses, people who are neither white nor black are perhaps the greatest beneficiaries
That is definitely true. It also expands the functional definition of white, as my extremely swarthy Neapolitan grandma could attest lol
>to the notion that Asians are "becoming white", I just don't see it. They're becoming rich, and all of us are learning from and appropriating aspects of the cultures we're exposed to.
It's a back and forth. I feel like with most HAPAs and half-Indians I've met the girls will often identify more with whites and the men with their nonwhite side. Also becoming upper middle class makes them more likely to identify more as white. But it's a messy thing for sure. There are just enough complications to prevent them from going fully Dem like w black people.
The part about racial tolerance and being direct about advocating for one's own self interests is right on. On a smaller scale I see it between having lived in Minneapolis and now in Virginia, where down here in VA it's much more organically integrated given the history of the region, and people have had to learn to be tolerant whether they liked it or not. And they'll tell you whether they like it or not. But it's more refreshing and less tense than Minneapolis for that reason.
I think the claim that black people have "strong genes" is dubious. If you see Obama next to his father, you can see very easily that Obama's mixed and wouldn't blend into Kenya. It's just that Americans classify mixed people into whatever's considered the less statistically common category because it sticks out more. Additionally, the first-born kid often has more of the paternal phenotype for evolutionary reasons (so that the father could tell it's really his). So, someone like Obama gets a bit more of the East African features, whereas Candace's kids end up pale.
In general, mixed people tend to identify with the non-white side because white's considered boring, unexotic, and lacking in subculture. I've even noticed people who are half-Anglo and half-criollo trying to claim non-white status. I sometimes joke that one of the reasons I'd never marry a white woman is that I don't want 3/4 white kids who claim exotic status for being a quarter Asian.
I've always wondered about the "first born looking more like dad" thing. I've casually noticed it among friends whose parents I've met (and myself, also being a first born who looks more like dad) and wondered if it was merely coincidental or actually *a thing*. Makes sense!
Great conversation that manages to examine some blindspots in otherwise well-trodden topics that without nuance could easily go off the rails. You manage to combine your right wing background, being an "Austist", and great conversation skills into something unique.
love these episodes. keep up the unique range of guests.
Maybe invite on Ayo Kimathi, an actual Black Nationalist (though he's heavy on the JQ - his book's website: https://www.moneytreepublishing.com/shop/jews-are-the-problem). I don't know how to get hold of him, but he's been on a couple of whatever-right podcasts - FTN, and Nordic Frontier.
Excellent and big-brained comment. I want to have you on the pod soon!
I think my level of white ingroup preference is almost exactly at the 50th percentile for American white men, but I have thought about racial issues and am aware of my own biases at the 99th percentile, and then in terms of my honesty to black people I'm at the 95th percentile (sadly I'm sure some contingent of homeless people and skinheads beat me here because I do value being polite to people I like).
Elon comes from South Africa, there is no way he is colorblind haha. He is def full of shit on that. If my percentiles are 50/99/95 I imagine his are 75/95/60. He strikes me as the type to get real with black friends but not necessarily trust random black strangers with his true feelings like me. Trump is probably like 60/50/30.
I feel like white people get scared talking about race because they don't realize most black people are fine with you being medium-high in the first dimension (if anything they often start thinking you're at 90 and are pleasantly surprised lol), and just get annoyed when you're low in the second and especially third dimensions. But white women punish white men for being high in the third dimension and to some extent the second, so that's what gets you things like liberal patronizing or conservative dogwhistling about "good schools", "safe neighborhoods", etc.
On the cycles--I would say the first two actually were the opposite. Black people almost certainly had it worse under Antebellum slavery than Revolutionary-era slavery, and then Jim Crow was probably worse than Antebellum slavery. But MLK etc was probably like four steps forward one step back.
BLM I'm not sure about. We probably need to wait and see where the reaction lands. I wouldn't say it has changed my perspective though, I think somebody like me or Jared Taylor or Richard Spencer would have been able to have this conversation at any point, and I think the median conservative white dude is more racially aggrieved than 15 years ago. But he is more open about his feelings too and slightly more self-aware, which black people will perceive as an improvement even if it makes liberal white women pissy.
I'm not a hard determinist about race for sure. But I do think the huge difference in phenotype makes white-black mixing inherently more of a *thing* for people than any other kind and that has huge downstream political and cultural implications.
I agree about South Asians, I have two Indian-American guests lined up on my pod to talk about that. IMO the Brahmin Question will play the same role in white identity politics that the JQ played 10 years ago.
>as the racial hierarchy in American society compresses, people who are neither white nor black are perhaps the greatest beneficiaries
That is definitely true. It also expands the functional definition of white, as my extremely swarthy Neapolitan grandma could attest lol
>to the notion that Asians are "becoming white", I just don't see it. They're becoming rich, and all of us are learning from and appropriating aspects of the cultures we're exposed to.
It's a back and forth. I feel like with most HAPAs and half-Indians I've met the girls will often identify more with whites and the men with their nonwhite side. Also becoming upper middle class makes them more likely to identify more as white. But it's a messy thing for sure. There are just enough complications to prevent them from going fully Dem like w black people.